so when we moved here from maine to okc, six years ago this coming april, my daughter was 7. the military moved us so it brings a big moving truck to your house and unloads all of your stuff etc.
we had been settling in for a few months and my daughter starting telling me that she was hearing things in her room.
small things at first, just enough to prick up her ears.
Are there demons? Is there really evil?
No doubt demons exist - whether they would come to your house and make a child say "I want to have sex with Satan" is another thing!!!
I used to have demonic dreams quite frequently until I stopped believing in demons.
I do not accept that all such experiences can be catagorized as dreams - I have heard about far to many that are way way beyond the dream state.
maybe arrogance is not the right word but i can find no other that describes what i see.
the idea expressed by some christians on this board is that somehow god specifically chose them.
i'll quote perry as an example as his post inspired this thread.
A short time later,and I mean frighteningly short, a JW called on me, with the specific purpose of getting me back in it. Nobody else called,not even a still small voice inside me.
What do all yous'e make of that. Especially you Christians.
A test?
Coincidence?
Maybe being a JW would be good for you?
Maybe its the truth? - OK - strike that one .
I don't know - I do not fully understand prayer, the essence of God, purpose of life etc. All I know is that people, some people, seem to get very precise answers to prayers.
Because a prayer, perhaps many prayers, do not get answered does not mean that all prayers never get answered.
The Scotsman
maybe arrogance is not the right word but i can find no other that describes what i see.
the idea expressed by some christians on this board is that somehow god specifically chose them.
i'll quote perry as an example as his post inspired this thread.
Imagine no religion,
i wonder if we can.....
The absense of religion would not make it a better world - just a different one.
what songs or movies, helped, inspired or uplifted you in your journey out of the wt?
this is my anthem...helps me feel better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgt1aidzrwm.
The first 60 seconds of Love Actually - the JWs hate the world around them and paint a horrible picture of people who are non JWs.
The reality is - well - watch the video....
www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsnruVriVYw
Love Actually is all around.....
maybe arrogance is not the right word but i can find no other that describes what i see.
the idea expressed by some christians on this board is that somehow god specifically chose them.
i'll quote perry as an example as his post inspired this thread.
AK-jeff
What if you wanted to be chosen for decades and thought you were, then found out you weren't.
Perhaps when you "found out you weren't" that was God trying to help you - just a thought.....
I don't see how it can be argued that there is a certain arrogance of aire when someone believes that Sky-Daddy has picked them as son/daughter, thus favoring them for everlasting cloud-dweller while planning a hot southern retreat for us 'uncalled and unchosen'.
Who said you are "uncalled and unchosen"? Did you come to this conclusion yourself due to past experience's?
I view myself as a christian and I certainly do not think that way - I believe christ died for all mankind, not just for a select elite few or some particular group.
Their is hope for us all yet.........
maybe arrogance is not the right word but i can find no other that describes what i see.
the idea expressed by some christians on this board is that somehow god specifically chose them.
i'll quote perry as an example as his post inspired this thread.
You don't have to be christian to be arrogant.
Plenty of arrogant people in the world - men, woman, christian, jew, muslim, hindu, young, old, black, white, religious, non religious, atheists etc etc.
So as far as i am concerned anyone pointing the finger at another group and accusing them of being arrogant is being - well - arrogant!
You say "Why has God not chosen me?" With all due respect you do not sound like someone who would want to be chosen - perhaps that's the answer to your question.
The Scotsman
hi all, its time i stopped lurking around here.
i've been posting at jws for just over a year, i know a few names here and it looks like there is lots of good banter going on.. i am a second generation, born-in who grew up in west-central scotland.
i pioneered in edinburgh and later married and settled in berwick just south of the border.
I was an attendant at Murrayfield - and was risen to the heady heights of attendant captain at Perth.
It was great - did not need to sit through those long long sessions - that 99% of JWs don't like but would never admit.
hi all, its time i stopped lurking around here.
i've been posting at jws for just over a year, i know a few names here and it looks like there is lots of good banter going on.. i am a second generation, born-in who grew up in west-central scotland.
i pioneered in edinburgh and later married and settled in berwick just south of the border.
Hello and welcome to the board. Plenty of scots here. I am in the "Glasgow area" - can't be more specific than that.
I suppose my process out the Borg was similar - started with niggling doubts, and as you say, once that first domino falls thats it.
I am sorry to hear you have finished with God. The tsunami was definately a faith tester for even the strongest believers. I truly do not fully understand why a loving God could sit back and let it happen - then again I do not understand the complexity of the universe - and yet it is there to be seen by all - my point is - because we do not understand does not mean that God does not exist.
Its interesting - it was a totally different event that hit me hard - the shooting of the school children in Dunblane Primary School. I was an active JW at the time and I was deeply disturbed by this event - "Where was God"? I asked a few fellow JWs. To this day I still not fully understand why God allows such things. But despite these terrible tragedies I am still willing to give God a chance. To me an Atheistic view is no improvement - some of the greatest atrocities ever committed were under the veil of Atheism.
Anyway - good to see you here.
The Scotsman
most congregations in this area had no meeting last thursday,.
they have now cancelled tomorrows meetings .
perhaps snow is worse than the internet!.
Some congregations in the Glasgow area have cancelled meetings and ministry.
It has been sub zero in Glasgow for about 3 weeks - day and night. Lots of snow and ice.
Bet the rank and file were gutted they had to stay in and watch telly instead.
are there any posters here who also read and/or post on the forums at richard-dawkins.net?
it seems as though a large number of xjws post there.
there are some really good and thought provoking points made, from a slightly different perspective.. just wondering!.
Alot of good points jaguarbass
Richard Dawkins is incredibly self centered and arrogant as far as I am concerned - which does not help his cause!
I also think he gets to much publicity - he is held in almost godlike status by some.
He will be loving it of course - cha ching - ££££££££££
